The Stunning-Kruger Effect

The Stunning-Kruger Effect: when one has run out of even, with which one cannot, to describe the floridly unbridled Dunning-Kruger abuse by an anti-vaccination zealot.


I have spent 20 years obsessively reading anything and everything I can get my hands on including thousands of medical journal articles and consider that I have more understanding of this subject than most GPs, immunologists and public health officials.

Dorey 169 The Conversation 2014 knows more than GPs immunologists etc

From The Conversation.

Grab your children, and run. Run like the wind.


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0 Responses to The Stunning-Kruger Effect

  1. Maddy says:

    Anyone can read for 20 years. Not everyone will understand what they have been reading.

  2. Steve Dave says:

    She knows more than GPs but can’t even spell humoral. Completely insightless.

  3. wzrd1 says:

    I have more understanding on a subject than most GPs, the majority of immunologists and most public health officials in a particular field of medicine.
    That is a fact that is quite well proved in the field.
    But, the difference between that cumpanzee* female and I is that I had specialized training, not self-miseducation.
    That said, most ED physicians know as much as I do at the field level and my entire purpose was to enable a patient in the field to survive their illness/accident/battlefield wounds from site through transport to make it to said ED physicians.

    But then, that is training, more training, concurrent training, continuing education, occasionally even having an ED physician available on scene and some odd highly specialized advanced military training.
    Whereas the chumpanzee has bizarre websites, conspiracy theorist books, anti-vaccination books, possibly some medical books and has absolutely no education necessary to comprehend the evidence based medicine involved.
    Were I offered a choice between being treated by a physician from the fourteenth century and this woman, I’d go for the fourteenth century physician.
    At least many, if not most would be willing to learn what twenty first century medicine has learned.
    Whereas she would not.

    The difference is in reality, that of reality. For some, one can learn more than professionals who learn how to utilize advanced statistical analysis to model for infectious disease from a few books that are not designed for someone who has not had said training. For some, one can learn more than professionals who are educated in the latest biological knowledge advances, merely from a conspiracy website. For some, one has some bizarre instinctive knowledge that is superior to evidence based science. And for some, a few books make up for many semesters of college in advanced biology, biochemistry, immunology and physiology.
    Of course, those people can benefit from modern medicine, well one field in particular. Psychiatry.
    A field I have enough knowledge about to know to promptly refer a patient to a professional, lest I cause harm through my own ignorance of that specialty.

    For modern medicine desired above all else, “Do no harm”.
    Whereas the chumpanzee spoken of in this article discards that notion.

    *Chumpanzee: A sub-species of Chimpanzee notable for the extensive use of tools, construction of permanent structures, some flirtation with fire and an odd predilection for playing with nuclear fire. Said species is divided into two parts. One, attempting to forward its understanding of nature, in order to better itself and eventually become civilized. The other, rejecting any true understanding of nature, indulges in destructive behavior to others of its own kind, destroys that which it does not comprehend and wishes to burn everything in sight with nuclear fire**.

    **The sub-sub-species that desires to burn everything in sight with nuclear fire is largely an American variety, though some are found on other continents. Said sub-sub-species believes that said nuclear fire cures everything. It self-identifies itself as “right”.

    Note, I’m the guy who would get a group of taxonomists into a bar fight over Pan Sapiens or Homo Troglodytes. 😉

  4. Stephen says:

    I’d not know there was a name for “the Dunning-Kruger effect”.
    Thanks for the link.
    I’m running Hank.

  5. mochuck says:

    “The world is full of experts without qualifications” Oh really? Where are they? That might be true in the world of macadamia farming but it certainly is not in the field of medicine and health.
    I spent 2 days last week in the Federal Court observing the ACCC v Homeopathy Plus case where they devoted a large amount of time to discussing what qualifies an expert and expert opinion. The definition of an expert is someone who “has specialised knowledge based on the person’s training, study or experience”. Meryl Dorey has no training, study or experience in any area that would qualify her as an expert on the topic of vaccination.
    Tom Sidwell as an undergraduate immunology student in 2010 was able to completely decimate Meryl Dorey’s “evidence” to the HCCC. He found that she had cut and paste articles from disreputable websites such as and submitted journal articles based on their titles that actually concluded the opposite of what Meryl Dorey claimed they did. There is a vast difference between being able to gish gallop your way through a topic and actually understanding what you are talking about.
    Meryl Dorey claims that you don’t need to know how your TV or refrigerators works to use them or why a plane doesn’t fall out of the sky. Its true that we don’t need to know those things to use them but we DO rely on experts to do those things for us. Not self appointed experts who have no training, study or experience but real experts as defined by the law.
    Thank you Hank for finding this classic Doreyism, I think she will regret ever posting it.

    • HarryWiggs says:

      I doubt she’ll regret it: people that blinkin’ stupid have no ability to suffer shame, as a result of the blindingly idiotic professments.

    • Andy says:

      I drove past a macadamia farm today. It’s in WA. It appeared, to me, to be successful (the signage was professional-looking). Therefore, I think it’s fair to say NSW is clearly not the place to be farming macadamias, despite what some macadamia farmers might tell you. I believe this based on my own experience, and I don’t need any further education in the matter than that which I choose to give myself. I certainly wouldn’t trust the word of any supposed macadamia experts from other states. What would they know about macadamia farming anyway? They don’t even know the best location and are most likely swayed by some vested interest or other.

  6. Danielle Moffitt says:

    I’m running too but would one of you gifted lexicologists please draft a formal definition of ‘doreyism’? It could definitely be added to the anti-vax dictionary, along with Stunning-Kruger, sheeple and big pharma.
    Thank you.

  7. Stephen says:

    Nice summary of MD’s clowning by mochuck.

  8. Erin Connor says:

    Did she write it herself? Airplane?

  9. Sue says:

    People who have actually studied the clinical sciences would know that “humeral” relates to the bone of the upper arm.

    I would also like this woman of stunning hubris to outline the criteria by which she evaluates research.

  10. Big tip o’the hat to good pal, Rhianna, for finding and marking the image included. I should have included that in the post, but, it was very late, and very hurried.

  11. Yet again Meryl Dorey displays exactly why she is not an expert, no matter what she thinks.

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  13. drdeloony says:

    A self-proclaimed expert is usually no expert at all!

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